Keep it simple... what wax do I use?

Discussion in 'Lost wax casting' started by AGELE55, Sep 18, 2020.

  1. AGELE55

    AGELE55 Copper

    Total newby here, so have mercy.
    I've made a few things with what I consider fair to good results. I'm using regular paraffin wax I bought at Hobby Lobby. When I attempted to add wax sprues that I also made of paraffin I can't get them to stick.. using a soldering iron like I see in videos, it just instantly puddles and makes a weak bond if at all.
    Little help?
     
  2. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    Paraffin wax isn't very good for lost wax stuff at all, and a soldering iron is just way to hot.
    Might have better luck warming up a butter knife over an alcohol lamp for starters..
    Have access to any bee's wax??
     
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  3. AGELE55

    AGELE55 Copper

    When I bought the paraffin, they had bees wax , paraffin, flax wax, soy wax, and god knows what else. I finally just guessed.
    Why is beeswax better?
     
  4. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    What is it that you are working on exactly??
    Wax can be pretty job specific...
     
  5. AGELE55

    AGELE55 Copper

    I have a couple things going. First off, I worked fighter aircraft my whole life so I'm working a model of an F/A-18 Hornet. I built the kit and am now shaving all detail and filling gaps and voids to create a smooth "stylized" desktop model. I'll create a wax positive from silicon and then cast in aluminum.
    If you have advice on what silicon to use, what wax, and what investment, I'm all ears.
     

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  6. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    How big is it???
    Alot of guys like the brown microcrystaline wax, but I'm an odd ball and like the hard red wax. Its great for creating hollow wax models.
    The source for the wax is on the forum under ??? Heck I forget, but its on here...
    For silicon I use the aluminite platinum 55.
     
  7. AGELE55

    AGELE55 Copper

    The model is about 8-10 inches long and almost as wide.
    You think I should use ceramic shell or investment block? I'm trying to figure the best path without continuing to buy the wrong stuff all the time...
    I'll dig around for a wax source.
     
  8. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    For something that size your better off with ceramic shell...
    Here is the link to the wax. I use the hard red.
    http://arizonasculpture.com/j-mac-art-bronze-wax/
     
  9. AGELE55

    AGELE55 Copper

    Thank you. There's is definitely a lot to learn here. Between not knowing enough to ask intelligent questions and trying to read forums where folks are talking way over my head, it's a slow process.
     
  10. Jason

    Jason Gold

    Here is a link for the brown microcrystalline wax I use.
    If you decide to run shell, do some digging on my threads in the lost wax section. I run Ransom & Randolphs suspendaslurry. It's dead nuts easy, no mixing. Costs a little more, but worth it.
    http://arizonasculpture.com/j-mac-microcystalline-wax-2-ab150/ 1 slab will be PLENTY of wax for you for many projects. You will recover it during dewax, clean it up and use it again.
     
  11. AGELE55

    AGELE55 Copper

    Thank you sir. I just returned from a week+ vacation. I’ll probably continue to piddle around with paraffin while I learn and get the good stuff on order. Dewaxing is an issue because I’m using the DIY foundry and it just falls to the bottom and burns up. Would a standard kitchen oven work for dewax? I can grab those off Craigslist all day long.... come to think of it, my buddy next door has one in his garage....
     
  12. Jason

    Jason Gold

    A kitchen oven will not work for ceramic shell dewax. It's too slow and the shell cracks. A kitchen oven would dewax solid block investment as that is done slow. BUT it will not get hot enough to prepare the investment to accept metal. So your options is a harbor freight weed burner to dewax or boiling water method like I use. Take a peek at my youtube channel. I demonstrate both methods. Ceramic shell is the cats ass, but comes with extra support gear. If you are going to run shell, I highly suggest you find an old pottery kiln. I paid 25bucks for my cat piss kiln. Ya just gotta look. After the was is removed (called dewax) you then have to heat shell super hot before pouring metal. This burns off anything organic, drives off moisture and preheats it to accept the really hot metal so it wont shatter.
     
  13. AGELE55

    AGELE55 Copper

    Thanks Jason. How do I find a YouTube channel??? I'm a little dense on YouTubeing...
     
  14. Jason

    Jason Gold

    Look at my signature. click that
     
  15. AGELE55

    AGELE55 Copper

    I'm feeling dumberer than before..
    Sigature?
     
  16. Fulmen

    Fulmen Silver

    This bit:
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    Socialism in a nutshell...
    You have two cows. The "State" takes one away and gives it to your neighbor, who doesn't have a field to keep it in.
    https://www.youtube.com/user/jagboy69
     
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  17. AGELE55

    AGELE55 Copper

    Found it. Thanks
     
  18. AGELE55

    AGELE55 Copper

    Next perplexing question if the day..
    When she’ll casting, why build a big sprue / sprue cup to feed the molten metal in through the bottom Vs simply pouring it in from the top?
     
  19. Jason

    Jason Gold

    The added weight from above creates pressure to feed the metal through the hollow shell. The cup makes for an easy target. Nothing is wasted, after you cut your part out, the sprue, feeders and cup get melted again next go around. Funny thing, the wax costs more than the bronze. o_O
     
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  20. Al2O3

    Al2O3 Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    In addition to Jason's comments, the reason for bottom vs top feed, if the cup & sprue/feed system are properly designed, they will fill first and very tranquilly fill the actual casting. Pouring from the top can cause the metal to separate and tumble through the mold chaotically and when this happens can cause the various layers to form oxides, air entrainment, and other defects where they re-join. Here's a (very long thread) if you're interested in that sort of stuff.

    http://forums.thehomefoundry.org/index.php?threads/bob-puhakka-on-bifilm-theory.621/

    Best,
    Kelly
     
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