Shed conversion for casting

Discussion in 'Foundry tools and flasks' started by Tobho Mott, Oct 31, 2019.

  1. Jason

    Jason Gold

    Could they be thinking about some kind of negative pressure venturi draft system designed to integrate into the hydro blow cock solenoid valve? AKA, 9dollar window box fan??
     
  2. Tobho Mott

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    Lol, could be, I am not sure what that means either but it sounds a little bit dirty. :D

    Jeff
     
  3. OMM

    OMM Silver

    In HVAC some consider blow pipe the pressurized side of the blower. The spiral stuff is a one piece construction usually about 10-12 feet long. It is folded seemed which is pretty good preventing leaks. Maybe this guy was suggesting metal ductwork with a squirrel cage blower.
     
  4. Tobho Mott

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    He did mention a squirrel cage fan and single wall pipe, I'm just not sure I'm visualizing it the way he meant it...
     
  5. Tobho Mott

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    Well, now I have the tools to find out if I need to look into that some more - my CO meter finally arrived!

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    Will report back once I've had a chance to take some readings with the furnace running...

    Jeff
     
  6. Jason

    Jason Gold

    Wish I had one of those in college. I drove an old MGB GT. After a few hours in that car, I stunk like motor oil, fuel and exhaust all rolled up in one.
    If it wasn't for the fuel smell, I probably could have bottled it and sold it as cologne.
     
  7. OMM

    OMM Silver

    Jeff, it will be interesting to see what your shed takes on with different fuels. I wanted to build a dedicated shed last summer with moving the furnace outside to an overhang (that didn’t happen). I am fully interested in your CO2 monitoring. Carbon monoxide has been known as the silent killer. I don’t think you have a problem, but I’m glad you’re being proactive.
     
  8. joe yard

    joe yard Silver

    Jeff
    I have watched this forum with great interest as I plan on using a lot of the information you are providing in the eventual conversion of my shed into a foundry.
    I have been working on it on and off now for a while. Although it is a bit behind I do have plans to be up and running in July. Just not July of 2019,
    The ventilation has always been of great concern. I will be a lot more confident after I see how the Co2 testing turns out for you. I was planning on using excessive ventilation. I had not planed on using a Co2 meter although I should. As of now I have the ventilation blowers and materials to move a lot of air. This will not be practical if I want to heat in the winter. For this reason I will be forced to at some time in the future.
    As for now I am at the point where the eternal shed of junk has been cleaned. I found my old molding bench in the pile along with a nice steel table. Two less things to build. The furnace and fuel system are completed. This only leaves a remodel of the shed, a muller, tooling wiring, lighting, an overhead lift rail, green sand, molds, cope and drags, air line and ?
    It might take a bit longer.
    You have a lot to be proud of! It is a big job building a foundry and moving casting inside.
    I am sure that the increase in efficiency , convenience will payoff many times over. Not to mention safety.
    Joe
     
  9. Rotarysmp

    Rotarysmp Silver

    I'd be worried about setting all the wood in that shed on fire. Especially with an oil burner.
    Mark
     
  10. Tobho Mott

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    Agreed, now that I have that meter, I'll feel safer experimenting with the oil burner, seeing how many doors I can safely close, etc.

    I hear you there, I thought I would never be able to make room to move in my shed, much less get any work done. Still lots of stuff to keep improving over time, it's a work in progress for sure, and maybe always will be!

    Fire is definitely a concern. I've moved out most of the lumber and random fuels that were in there, but not all of it yet, and besides which, the shed itself is made of wood... I'm keeping my eyes open for some used steel barn siding or something to cover up as much of the interior as I can. Maybe some insulation too some day, to go in behind that. Even then I'll have to be pretty careful about splashes and pops I suppose. It would be easy to roll the furnaces and carry molds outside in nice weather as I've always done if I decide that is the safest way to go; easier than ever in fact, because now I have the muller and molding bench right there much nearer where I've gotten used to pouring, not to mention they are also now conveniently close to each other for the first time ever...

    Jeff
     
  11. Tobho Mott

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    So, a few days ago I managed to find some shed time again. Figured I'd cast a hook to hang my leather apron and face shield up on, using one of my hardware store cast iron molding practice finds from a couple years ago. I had cast it once before and it came out great!

    Well, depending on how you look at it, I was either an hour too early or a day...

    For the hour, well, I had misplaced the first casting I'd made using the moosehook pattern. Been looking for it for months now, to the point where my wife actually gave up on me and went out and bought a different hook that I don't like at all for the inside of the bathroom door. Well, after the mold cooled down, I brought the casting inside to show off its crappiness. My son saw it and immediately grabbed the original finished casting from the drawer of the computer desk where he was sitting to show off its awesomeness! D'oh! He had considered it to be in his way at some point, and stashed it in that very unlikely spot, no wonder I couldn't find it where I was sure it had been left... So less than an hour after I cast a new one, the one I already had turned up almost magically...

    For the day, the CO meter pictured above finally came in the mail the very next morning. Would have been nice to have been able to take a few readings while the furnace was running, though on the bright side I still didn't notice any ill effects from CO poisoning.

    The casting session went fine, but the mold was crap, my sand just would not behave. I think it needed longer in the muller to distribute the water I had added more evenly throughout the sand - the only thing it wanted to really stick to was my rammer. Temperature may have been part of the issue too, it was about the same as when I cast the unicorns (about 1C), but I think I may have left the weed burner torch blasting into the muller at the moving sand for longer and warmed it up more that time...

    Here's some video of the whole fiasco.



    In the end the new casting was so bad I decided I am going to toss it back in my ingot bucket. I hung up the good one from before instead. FWIW, it seems to do a good job holding my stuff up off the floor.

    I found some old pictures of the casting I did use:

    Here it is before I cleaned up the flashing etc.

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    And here it is all cleaned up.

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    I don't have a real good pic of the new one, but here's a screenshot from the video where it doesn't look any worse than the first one did before I finished grinding. But it is worse, the flashing on the new one is almost a cm thick in some areas instead of a mm at most, due to me futzing with one side of the mold after the other was already rammed up. Certainly more flash metal than I feel like grinding off between those antler points etc... Also, the back of it looks just terrible. You might be able to see it better in the video, if you feel like watching this train wreck happen.

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    The lesson I learned here was, if the sand isn't behaving, toss it back in the muller right away and start over, rather than trying to push ahead and brute force it into compliance!

    I got a comment on the video from sandrammer, which is always a nice surprise; he thought I should not have filled it upwards from the base because the metal had to run uphill onto the antlers. I thought I was being smart doing that! If I flipped the pattern over and did it that way, the metal would still have had to flow uphill through the runner/gate (because of the shape of the parting line on this irregular pattern) from the sprue base to the antler base, and then it would be (in my mind) splashing back down into the antlers and creating a lot of bifilm defects. The way I had it set up, it goes downhill through the gate from the sprue until it fills the base, then (hopefully) smoothly fills the antlers from the bottom up with no splashing. I know sandrammer knows his stuff backwards and forwards though, so you won't catch me disagreeing with him (not where HT1 might see it especially!), so this is a bit of a dilemma for me. Anyone here got a second opinion about what is the best orientation to mold this thing? I plan to try it again both ways at some point, to compare the results.

    Jeff
     
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  12. Tobho Mott

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    Finally got some CO numbers.

    Did a few melts with the new meter. It came with documentation stating 50ppm is the max it should get to for spending 8 hours in an enclosed space, and to get the heck out at 100ppm. I set it to alarm at 100.

    While the furnace is running, I've been keeping it clipped to my leather apron and checking it often. Seems to stay between 14 and 20ppm. Last melt I set it to hold the max reading it gets, to see if maybe it's spiking when I'm not looking...

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    If the supplied document is to be trusted, that's one thing to worry less about I guess.

    Jeff
     
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  13. Jason

    Jason Gold

    Good to hear. You've got good ventilation in that shed with that fan up high.
     
  14. Billy Elmore

    Billy Elmore Silver

    Awesome thread! I am about to start converting an old shed into a foundry as well and this thread gave me hope.LOL
    As for the moose casting...always better to push the metal up than to let it fall. You still have to get it to the bottom to push it to the top, but you can control the fall of the metal in a sprue but you cant inside the casting. By tapering the sprue and making a sprue well you can reduce the amount of bifilm risks inside of the sprue, but in the casting it will just be a free falling cluster of molten metal bbs. Every time I get a new supervisor..which has been a few times..and always no experience in gating...I have to let them learn we can not top gate thin wall cookware castings....you can tell them but they wont stop until they learn it for themselves. I actually get a kick out of watching them think they have reinvented the wheel and get so anxious to see the castings only to see they look like they were used as a target at a turkey shoot. I may sometimes feed false hope into their ideas just to help get them excited a little bit, but only if they have been hard headed and deserve it.LOL
     
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  15. Tobho Mott

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    Thanks Billy. Recent developments have made me realize my foundry shed is way too small, but it's still way better than being at the mercy of good weather pouring outside. I will have to try casting the antler hook again with this new petrobond, so far it seems much better behaved at around freezing temperatures than my greensand ever has.

    Jeff
     
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  16. Tobho Mott

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    Been playing in my sandbox. The petrobond really does still work in the freezing weather! A couple degrees below freezing, anyhow.

    Tested out some new letter board sign letters I got for patternmaking as well as some plastic dragons I ripped off my kid's plastic ninja sword scabbard before it went in the trash several years ago. I always thought those dragons would work well as pattern accents... I used them to make a fun sign for my foundry shed door.

    The pattern. I used a blank plaque I cast earlier to glue the letters and dragons onto.

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    It's a Dungeons and Dragons foundry pun. Level 20 nerd, I know.

    The casting, done in my new petrobond. I love this sand!

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    Before I descovered metal casting, I used to spend my free time collecting and painting miniatures for my D&D games. Figured the sign could use a splash of colour, so I dug out my old paints and brushes. I was a little worried they would have dried up or settled out too much over the past 7 years or so to bring back to life, but the paints are still good!

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    My shed may not look like much, but it looks a little better now than it did a couple days ago...

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    Jeff
     
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  17. Petee716

    Petee716 Gold Banner Member

    Nice work! My petrobond doesn't work for crap in the cold.

    Pete
     
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  18. Jason

    Jason Gold

    Way to go... Nerd!:p:D
     
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  19. Tobho Mott

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    Thanks guys. It was only maybe -2 out, and I know at that temperature my greensand would have been all but useless. We'll see how it works a month from now... if I can make myself go outside to try it then. It only has to be willing to work when I am! ;)

    Jeff
     
  20. I like your plaque casting Tobho, I've been meaning to borrow some patterns made for a local Chinese temple monument, specifically the lucky coin (Live Long and Prosper) and the lotus plant rising from the mud and reflecting on the water:

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