Cast iron?

Discussion in 'Sand Casting' started by Tobho Mott, Jun 9, 2025.

  1. The iron can burn and form more slag if the melt is going slower than expected, rotors tend have thin sections and a lot of surface area so they'd be prone to excess oxidation. I'd expect engine blocks to be the same being thin sections with a heavy layer of oxidation from the water jacket.

    I do wonder about the composition of rotors, if there's other alloying elements that raise the melting point. The secret sauce for the Sheffield crucible steel makers was to put some crushed glass in the melt to protect the steel from burning. I might try that and see if it helps, also doing a bronze or aluminium melt first and then an iron melt could save some fuel and preheating time. Running a furnace for several hours makes each melt time go faster and faster with bronze at least, so saving the iron for when the furnace is nice and hot would reduce the slag.
     
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  2. Tobho Mott

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    Doug sent me some pictures of the demolded castings... Looks like 6 usable wheels as expected.

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    He cut into each sprue then fractured them to see the grain and wait it all seemed right, soft and grey and free of voids :). But it might be a while before they get machined.

    He said he sprued the molds right down into the center of the wheels because that's how the foundry that cast his drive wheels did those. I can't argue with that, it seems to have done the trick here too and ought to make for an easier cleanup.

    Oddly, even though all the wheel molds were basically identical, one of them had a bit of shrink at the base of the sprue. No matter, that's obviously where a hole needs to be machined anyway.

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    Here's the wheel that came up short on the first pour :(

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    And the side frame that didn't fill in the second pour can be seen in pieces in the upper left and center here:

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    Jeff
     
  3. I wonder if it was the last casting you poured with the defects?.
     
  4. Tobho Mott

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    I asked Doug if he had any idea which pour or what order within its pour that one was was in. Unfortunately he didn't. I suppose the shrinkage was not noted until everything was all de-sprued and mixed together.

    Jeff
     
  5. You know what this means?: always cast an extra in case of a failure!. :D
     
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  6. Tobho Mott

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    We did intend to pour more than we even tried - Doug had 8 wheel molds rammed up when he arrived... We just got tired before we got that far. :D

    Here is some video of the 2 pours from that day. I didn't capture any of the aggravation regarding the clogged fuel line and what seemed like way too much overly foamy slag, so it doesn't really convey the stressfulness too accurately.



    Last night I got a note from Clarke Easterling after he saw the video. Told me he only uses 5g of ferrosilicon to 50# of iron (and that for chunky stuff these wheels he would not have even bothered adding any)!

    So maybe I'm using more than 10x too much at 40+g to a partly filled A12? Supposedly too much causes shrinkage, but only one of the wheels showed any. I don't remember there being radiuses at the base of the sprues, just sharp corners, so really it's a little surprising to me that we didn't see more of them shrink there.

    Jeff
     
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  7. bjf66

    bjf66 Copper

    Hi
    haven't been on site for some time, however, was reading some of the postings this morning
    With the iron train wheels, feeding and shrinkage perhaps the riser of metal needs to be larger and closer to the Boss where you want to feed, this way the molten metal has better chance to feed the heavy section of casting your wanting to feed, the neck down part needs to be reduced in height so you have enough room to cut off the riser
    Normally the propriety feeding materials (Hot tops) would have some filings of aluminium powder in the mix so it starts to kick off and ignite and therefore you get an exothermic reaction
    However, suppose cost issues aside, you could look at something else which has insulating properties to at least cover the feeding riser,
    In previously life we use to sell Perlite into the steelworks and use this as insulating cover on steel tundish prior to the continuous casting of steel
    Perlite is also sold as s slag coagulant in iron/steel melting for deslagging, you could use this sparingly to remove some of oxides on the melt surface before you pour the casting and then hook the sheet of slag out of crucible so you reduce the contaminant and erosion on the inside wall of crucible, or it just keeps building for the subsequent pours
    Perlite (raw, not expanded) should be available in bunnings (oil spills clean up), Horticulture as normally mixed with Vermiculite in potting mixes etc

    On the fading and inoculant, I had a look on Foseco data base this morning for a general TDS on Inoculant which may help, and came across INOCULIN 320
    1. chemistry, crushed FeSi generally 75%

    2. addition rates of inoculant. Obliviously these Foseco inoculant are propriety products and have other stuff in there to help reduce fade, however, gives you some basic starting criteria
    Addition rate:
    GJL (cast Iron): 0,05 - 0,3 %
    GJS (Ductile Iron): 0,1 - 0,5 %
    Pipe Inoculation: 0,2 - 0,4 %

    3. Grain size: for small crucibles: try and get the smallest sizing you can 0-3mm,
    cheers Brett
     

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