Copper now liquid

Discussion in 'Foundry tools and flasks' started by gatorman43, Sep 26, 2023.

  1. gatorman43

    gatorman43 Copper

    Scabble??
     
  2. Tops

    Tops Silver

    Each post in the thread has a number, down in the lower right corner. This one is #22
    In post #7, there is a picture of a typical Amazon/Vevor type gauge
    In post #9, there are some Scrabble (scabble) pictures along with the tongs and a Devil Forge gauge
     
  3. Jammer

    Jammer Silver Banner Member

    Thanks Tops, yes Scrabble Word Game. Where is auto correct when you need it?
     
  4. gatorman43

    gatorman43 Copper

    thank you
     
  5. metallab

    metallab Silver

    Well, to my experience, when keeping oxygen away from copper by using charcoal floating on the Cu bath as Jammer says, it is very fluid and pours easily. Much better that the very drossy brass. Bronze (with tin or silicon) also works well.
     
  6. HT1

    HT1 Gold Banner Member


    If you have drossy Brass your doing something VERY Wrong. probable starting with dirty metal, or melting way too slow

    V/r HT1
     
  7. garyhlucas

    garyhlucas Silver

    I have some crucibles that are bottom pour, a tube goes down to the bottom. Would these be good for copper?
     
  8. metallab

    metallab Silver

    You mean like ladles in the steel industry with a valve in the bottom controlled by the tube you mentioned which opens when the steel is to be poured and that for (and much smaller scale) copper ?
    Not easy to make.
    Like this:

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    Last edited: Jan 7, 2024
  9. Al2O3

    Al2O3 Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    No. Like this:

    Bottom Pour Crucible.jpg

    Best,
    Kelly
     
  10. Alerek

    Alerek Copper

    Do you wait until you're done melting what you're going to melt, then add the charcoal on top? Or do you add it as you go along? Do you have to wait until it burns off before pouring, or...? Sorry, just trying to visualize the process. Perhaps I'm overthinking it. I like this idea, as I've been told phosphor copper granules/copper shot is good, but I can't seem to find it in quantities less than 5 pounds... Too much, and way too expensive, LOL!
     
  11. Rasper

    Rasper Silver

    I have used the copper brazing rod as a substitute for phosphor/copper shot. Same metal, just not as much phosphorous content. It is hard for me to tell if it made any difference or not as I only melt bronze, which has little problems with oxidation, and mostly melt Everdur, which has basically no problem with it.

    The brazing rod is this:

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    Richard
     
  12. HT1

    HT1 Gold Banner Member

    can you share a link the picture doesnt tell me enough to try it out, I'm almost out of Phos copper and have to cast a couple of pieces and it would be nice to have a backup


    Thanks in advance
    HT1
     
  13. Rasper

    Rasper Silver

    The brazing rod is made for brazing copper and its alloys. There are several alloys, and several manufacturers. I use Harris as their web site is clear and comprehensive. The Harris 0 (zero) indicates zero percent silver. They make it also with silver in various formulations up to 15% for increased flow and gap fill characteristics.

    Here is the link to the tech data sheet:

    https://ch-delivery.lincolnelectric...t/07a047c58c50429f860f053f51743364?v=3c1039e8

    and to the Harris brazing rod page:

    https://www.harrisproductsgroup.com/en/Products/Brazing-Soldering-Fluxes/Brazing-Alloys

    Richard
     
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  14. HT1

    HT1 Gold Banner Member



    Thank you very Much Richard, definitely a great option available on Amazon
    https://www.amazon.com/Harris-0620F1-Silver-PhosCopper-Brazing/dp/B002BY8K6Y

    The Bad it's 7% Phos Cu, for $22/Lb

    Belmont sells 15% Phos Cu for $19/lb
    https://www.belmontmetals.com/product/15-phosphor-copper/


    I Know a lot of our Non US folk mayn't be able to use Belmont or shipping may become an issue, but if you need Phos Cu belmont is a better deal, which I was hoping was not the case I need to raise my prices


    V/r HT1
     
  15. Alerek

    Alerek Copper

    Thanks for the info! Perhaps the picture on Amazon is deceptive. It looks like a burly rod on that site, was just wondering how I'd add it to my melt (cut a piece off and drop it in, stir it around, let some melt?). If it's really a lot smaller, I imagine I'd just cut and drop in. Does seem like an expensive option though, perhaps for special use and not when just making bars and coins... :)

    So, was curious after posting on Monday, and did another melt. Dropped in a piece of lump charcoal on top, and it just bobbed there. Was amazed it didn't just burst into flames with the heat. Didn't seem to make much difference, but didn't wait a long while before pouring.
     

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