Wax burnout using high internal heat

Discussion in 'Lost wax casting' started by JBC, Apr 7, 2021.

  1. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    Bicycle pump. Or get a semens pressure tester for outboard lower units.
    I don't want the noise from a compressor while I'm shooting waxes, drinking beer and watching tv.... :D
     
  2. JBC

    JBC Copper

    I think I'll have to start working on an easier mold. One without so much detail. Then once I can see and overcome issues head to more detail.
    Hell, I still need to get something cast too.
    I can get melt bronze in the microwave with some modifications but my list of rabbit-hole-to-do's is getting long. I'm gonna have to head back to really finding a burn out kiln instead.

    The wax injector that's here in town I can get for less than $200. Its a Kerr (I believe) model. Big-ole tank from the looks of it.
    I'd much rather have a smaller unit.
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  3. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    No. Just work towards making what you want.
     
  4. JBC

    JBC Copper

    I get almost all of the wax details my little silicone mold has in it except the same two spots.

    So I got a toothpick and tried dabbing some in the tiny slots with hot wax before infecting the whole thing to see if I could paint those areas and fill the rest.
    And what do you know? The wax was being resisted in those areas.
    I cleaned the areas with rubbing alcohol and then dish soap+water.
    But still those same small areas (in two separate molds) won't fill.


    I checked online about issues with this wax and small details and found this one review on Rio Grande on Joe's Jewelry Investment Wax Turquoise:


    What wax are you guys using for very fine thin details?

    =.018 of an inch / .47mm (for reference = .039 of an inch / 1mm deep.
     
  5. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    For something that small and deep, you need a vacuum wax injector to guarantee a good fill.

    You might want to get a max wax pen for your touch ups...
    https://www.esslinger.com/portable-cordless-max-wax-pen/
     
  6. JBC

    JBC Copper

    .....and PUNT!
    I'm re-designing the model.
    I appreciate that info. I don't mind being a moth banging my head against the lightbulb....but I want to eventually get in!
    That helps me learn more about limitations that I can design around.

    Thanks!
     
  7. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member


    Happy you picked up on that so quickly.
    I do alot of castings with text on them. They can prove very challenging.
     
  8. JBC

    JBC Copper

    Thanks.

    Do you use F360?
     
  9. Jason

    Jason Gold

  10. JBC

    JBC Copper

    There's a guy in town that is going to show me what he has when back in town. It's a compressor model asking $200. He also has a kiln so could be a nice stop.

    I modified my model/mold and when the silicone dries by tomorrow around 11 am PST I'll know if I need one.
     
  11. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    I use Alibre for my cad, which is similar to fusions cad, then Sprut cam for cam.
    Been working on learning Z brush core, but far from being proficient with it. Maybe I'll figure it out eventually :rolleyes:
     
  12. JBC

    JBC Copper

    I always wanted to learn Zbrush but I can't justify the cost.

    I started playing around with a nice app for my tablet- Nomad Sculpt. I think it's 14.99 on the Apple Store.
    It blows me away with what it can do. The designer has been updating this thing a lot!

    There is a content creator who also offers online courses to learn the program, SouthernGFX.
    Check out Glen's videos to see what it can do -.
    Glen also has a Facebook group and responds to just about everything, as well as others there.

    Stephan who owns/designs Nomad has a forum for keeping in touch and updating users;
    https://forum.nomadsculpt.com/latest


    jbc
     
  13. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    Z brush core is cheaper than z brush...
     
  14. JBC

    JBC Copper

    What RTV silicone are you using for wax casting?
     
  15. JBC

    JBC Copper

    monthly = no thanks.
    Check out Nomad Sculpt. $15.00 is an easy choice. This prog is really maturing rapidly.
     
  16. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    Aluminite platinum 60.

    You can buy it outright for $179.95
    That's what I did...
     
  17. JBC

    JBC Copper

    I have a question about the flask (4" dia 6" tall) and vacuum.
    If I do move forward with microwaving the flask and can get the heat up to calcify the investment (I can't put a flask with a metal sleeve in the microwave) will the vacuum table be effective?
    The suction force will draw in air over the entirety of the flask and not just from the top/spout. I would think the vacuum table will help but not by much right?
    Thoughts?

    If that's the case I think my best approach would be to make a sheet metal sleeve I can place around the flask prior to the pour (seems fiddly).
    Any other ideas?
     
  18. JBC

    JBC Copper

    I had a decent pour last night but still missed the mark.
    I was able to get the cavity of the flask to approx. 200F but I couldn't get it higher.

    Hopefully this weekend I have time to try another pour with a slightly different approach.
    The details I was able to get gives me hope. This was the best I've had so far but nowhere near my goal.
    Still so much to learn casting small detailed models: Wax injection/using a wax pen/spruing the tree and overcoming a furnace that keeps turning off but shows its holding temps (waiting to hear back from the manufacturer for replacement thermocouple).

    Good stuff!

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  19. JBC

    JBC Copper

    Have you used Silpak's Silicones?
    http://www.silpak.com/products/r1000.html

    I liked it but I dont have much experience with any silicones for wax injection.
    I'm tempted to try Aluminlite Platinum. i have tried some Smooth-on and found it basically the same as Silpak, so I'm thinking they are all pretty close to each other (when looking at hardness and elongation before break).

    I hate buying 2lb trials at $58/try.
     
  20. Jason

    Jason Gold

    Some microwaves allow you to nuke metal objects. I know the new crappy samsung over the range one I have has a metal rack in it. My first one lasted 2years so instead of fixing it, I grabbed another new one for 189bucks. Samsung is great for phones and stuff, but their appliances are grade A chinese JUNK!
     

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