A 3d Scanning Project

Discussion in 'Pattern making' started by Rocketman, Aug 17, 2023.

  1. Rocketman

    Rocketman Silver Banner Member

    There's a plaque I want to produce copies of it.
    I put together a mobile scanning setup:

    Laptop
    3d Scanner (s)
    AC Powerbank
    3d scanning spray
    Nylon bristle brushes

    The object I was looking to scan is a 13hr drive away. I rented a place nearby to serve as basecamp.

    Here is the subject:
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    It measures ~20" x ~13"
    I have both a Creality Lizard and Revopoint MINI 3d scanner. The lizard is reliable and has good tracking but loses some detail, especially on the smaller text. The MINI can capture far more detail but has more tracking issues, it has a much smaller FOV. I brought both & attempted to use both. The subject required application of 3d scanning spray to make the scanners happy.
    The lizard got me a reasonable scan.
    The MINI fought me and could not keep tracking. The scans I have may be usable, but there's currently no way to throw out mis-tracked frames like there is with the creality software. (i did not even need this feature with the Lizard scans) It did grab significantly more detail in the areas it kept tracking, which is frustrating. The lizard was able to give me a usable mesh with little to no editing.

    The mobile setup as far as support equipment goes performed nominally as expected based on testing. Basecamp nearby was excellent, as it gave me several opportunities to travel to the object, scan, and return to process & assess the captured data

    Very frustrating to travel that distance and have the REVO software not perform in the field. Practice objects of the same size & shape gave me good results, but in possibly better scanning conditions

    Here is the captured mesh as seen in JMstudio:
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    I tried 3d printing some versions of the data:
    Resinprint on Elegoo mars2pro:
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    FDM print on ender3 w/ .6mm nozzle
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    Resin print came out awesome, but it's small. FDM print shows a lot of layer lines, I could tune to eliminate this but details are still muted

    I am able to load raw mesh data into Vectric Aspire for 3d carving via CNC router. It does not need to be manifold mesh. This subject is a perfect use case scenario because it's a flat bas-relief carving that is already appropriately drafted. I scaled it roughly 50% because of 1.) time constraints 2.)wood stock size for pattern on-hand 3.)volume of metal required, crucible & raw stock vol are small

    Vectric's default settings simplify imported meshes, which I did not initially know. The first cuts of the finish pass showed a lot of artifacting on the edges and a rough suface. I figured out how to import it at much higher resolution and re-cut the finish pass again (another ~14hrs) Finishing cutter has a 0.5mm (20 thou) radius tip cutter so it can do fairly fine detail but takes foreverrrrrrrr (pass stepover is 4 thou)

    Initial results:
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    Sanded and sealed:
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    I then sand-cast the wooden pattern in Silicon Bronze. Sand is 130mesh greensand. Raw casting:
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    Initial cleanup:
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    Chemical darkening applied, highlights buffed, laquer topcoat applied:
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    Final thoughts:
    3d scanners are fucking awesome, but also frustrating AF. This is a as far as I am concerned a near perfect use-case for this technology, capturing a mesh of a flat, pre-drafted object and being able to digitally reproduce it with no editing or reverse-engineering of the mesh. Most of the other objects I have 3d scanned are mechanical type parts to be modified, which requires reverse engineering. The preliminary results for this project did not require any editing of the mesh, except to trim off the excess around the edges.

    The project will still require some digital editing before I am wholly pleased with the result, but for now this is very acceptable

    -Rocketman
     
  2. BattyZ

    BattyZ Silver Banner Member

    Nicely done!
     
  3. Al2O3

    Al2O3 Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    Yikes. What kind of CNC Router?

    Good write up, application of tech, and excellent casting result.

    Best,
    Kelly
     
  4. Rocketman

    Rocketman Silver Banner Member

    The CNC router is a 24"x 24" unit made by Geometric Robotics
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/133697164060
    I purchased it in 2012 and have made some upgrades, it's not the most rigid machine but it's acceptable. Significantly cheaper now compared to when I purchased it. Someone else here has the same model as well

    Thank you for the kind words, I have hundreds of hours accumulated into this project and it's hard to sum it up into one forum post
     
  5. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    That's just awesome :)
     
  6. Tobho Mott

    Tobho Mott Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    Amazing!

    Jeff
     
  7. Melterskelter

    Melterskelter Gold Banner Member

    Very nice work!

    Given the huge amount of work involved in making this piece, do you think the wood substrate you used as a pattern material is ideal? It is beautiful in its own right. But, it is wood with all of wood’s foibles. Something like Renshape 4000 is supposed to be absolutely uniform and stable. I’ve not used it and I also understand it is very costly. You have the CNC file, so I guess cutting a new one would be straightforward.

    Denis
     
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  8. Rocketman

    Rocketman Silver Banner Member

    Yes - the wood is not ideal. I have looked into HDU (sign foam), renshape, machinable wax, etc. The wood for this scale piece is fine for now, I would eventually like to make a full-sized reproduction and that will probably need one of these options. Right now I am in the "rough draft" and "damn I spent a lot of money already" phase of this project, I'm not sure where I am headed with it. FAFO, I suppose?

    The current angle I am looking at is to resin print a similar scale piece as I have above, but it will have to be printed in at least 4 sections and joined as my print volume is small. It will certainly give better resolution and detail compared to the CNC, but how will it look once it comes out of the sand? (should I even be sand casting this?? the investment casting voices are getting louder) The CNC has a way of naturally smoothing noise from the scan data. Either way I am wanting to cope the back side of the pattern in the 3d model (it is flat-back currently) to save on resin and metal. My 3d modelling/editing skills are not great so that is my roadblock at the moment, as well as a lack of time, next month + is very busy for me.

    But regardless of which way I make the pattern, I will likely use Freeman Repro to make a negative>positive to generate a nice durable pattern that should be stable over time. The stuff is very good in that regard.

    -Rocketman
     
  9. Al2O3

    Al2O3 Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    You'd really like the urethane modeling board for CNC machining and stability.

    I've used Repro many, many, times. Is good stuff and pretty easy to work with, but if you are going to use it to pull a negative from a master you need to make sure that master has an exceptional fininish, put strong demolding attachments on the backside of the master, and follow the recommended wax/PVA release procedure religiously. Same goes for pulling any subsequent parts from the negative. I'd also recommend using there surface coat.

    Best,
    Kelly
     

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