Unusual way to melt gold.

Discussion in 'Furnaces and their construction' started by Ironsides, Mar 23, 2021.

  1. Ironsides

    Ironsides Silver

    I have seen this done in a national geographic magazine in 1972. I had forgotten all about it until I watched this video. Watch at 10:30, the rest of the video is crap. No fuel or electric power for this melter.

     
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  2. Jason

    Jason Gold

    Yup.. crap video for the masses. Amazing people even click this bs. I never would have.

    The only thing worth looking at here is the comments. It really shows what a shitshow world we live in these days.:rolleyes: I weep for humanity.:(
     
  3. Patrick-C

    Patrick-C Silver

    I have one of those kind of lenses. But I never tried melting metal with it before.
    Patrick
     
  4. Tobho Mott

    Tobho Mott Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    There is a great big fresnel lens in every old projection tv set, I believe...

    But that seems like a lot of lens and setup if it can only make a tiny drop of molten metal...

    Jeff
     
  5. Melterskelter

    Melterskelter Gold Banner Member

    Ya, not too practical, I guess. But, there is no harm (maybe even some good) in some over-enthusiastic young guys rediscovering the power of sunlight and dramatizing it. Perhaps it will inspire somebody to look at some more practical use of solar energy or take a more general look at the physics involved.

    Denis
     
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  6. Tobho Mott

    Tobho Mott Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    It might be fun to try. If you're going to use a giant magnifying glass to melt metal, I suggest using it for anthill casting. Much more efficient than chasing them down one by one with a handheld lens. :D

    Jeff
     
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  7. dtsh

    dtsh Silver

    Oh man, I wasted perhaps 60 seconds of my life on that, too much. The flashlight bit was just too much and the question of using another lens to "magnify" the effect, as though the lens produces instead of focuses the energy. Had none of them ever played with lenses or bothered to read even the slightest bit about optics?
     
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  8. Jason

    Jason Gold

    I junked a 56 rear screen tv about 10years ago. The only thing I kept out of it was the giant fresnel lens. Figured, you never know when you might need to start a fire without a match. There was a weirdo sciencey kind of fruitloop in florida years ago that did goofy crap along these lines. The world is littered with "youtube stars":rolleyes:
     
  9. Ironsides

    Ironsides Silver

    Was the big magnifying glass used in the video come from a rear projection tv? If so I will dismantle one to get the lens.
     
  10. Petee716

    Petee716 Gold Banner Member

    I'm grateful Ironsides included the time mark in his post to make his point. I dont suffer the clown shows for long.
    There are some other more watchable videos available on the topic.

    Pete
     
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  11. dtsh

    dtsh Silver

    It doesn't look like the ones I have seen, not that I have seen many; the ones I have seen were rectangular.
     
  12. GTS225

    GTS225 Silver

    I have a small one from an overhead projector downstairs. It measures about 12" square, and is very capable of melting small amounts of lead.
    One can buy fresnel lenses, even that large, but they do get spendy, and I suspect would have limited usage for foundry work.

    Roger
     
  13. Petee716

    Petee716 Gold Banner Member

    They can be found on the rear ends of some motor homes too but not sure of their metal melting ability.
     
  14. metallab

    metallab Silver

    Funny experiment.
    But melting a solid block of 12kg of gold will not work, even with such a large Fresnel. Even the 31g gold melted partially only. Lots of radiation heat losses.
    Moreover, the high heat conductivity of gold lets the heat on the spot of the focal point move to the cooler parts of the block.

    It was funny to see that the liquid gold retained its yellow luster ('yellow mercury') rather than glowing red / orange hot. I did a similar experiment with copper in a propane flame in bright sunlight. The reducing atmosphere of the flame kept the copper oxide free and even when molten. The overwhelming sunlight allowed to retain its pink luster, like 'pink mercury'.
     
  15. Al2O3

    Al2O3 Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

  16. Chazza

    Chazza Silver

    I remember watching a TV documentary in the 1970's, where the French had established a solar array of mirrors in the Pyrenees, that when concentrating their light melted a hole through 1" steel plate.

    My memory may be wrong about the 1", but it was impressive even in black-and-white.
     

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