Air manifold casting project

Discussion in 'General foundry chat' started by Al Puddle, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. Al Puddle

    Al Puddle Silver

    I'm trying to get the air compressor rigged up in my shop; been working at it for a year or two. It's wired up, runs, and it has a place to live in the shop. The plumbing part has been dogging me. Couldn't find a decent air manifold anywhere I looked but, gee, how hard can it be to make one of those?

    I'm stymied to make a 5/8" x 5" long cylinder core. I wound up using a 1/2" copper tube hoping it would dissolve into the aluminum when casting, at least partially.

    The first try at casting came close but there were large cavities surrounding the tube. Then I got some petro bond and tried again. Boy, it sure looks good to me! Compared to the first try.
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    Drilled and tapped a few pipe threads, added the hardware and I'm done.
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    Except it leaks. See that black mark? Right there in the corner is a pinhole leak. Should'a gated it better.
    Do you think JB Weld will fix it?
    When I try again, I won't use copper tube because it causes machining problems. It didn't dissolve one bit.
     

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  2. PatJ

    PatJ Silver

    Maybe if you drill a hole at the pinhole, and then fill it with jbweld.
    I am not sure if just using jbweld on the surface would hold up.
     
  3. OCD

    OCD Silver

    I'd weld that pin hole.
    It's under high pressure, correct?
     
  4. Al2O3

    Al2O3 Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    Is it leaking around the copper tube or due to porosity? Did you degas?

    Best,
    Kelly
     
  5. Al Puddle

    Al Puddle Silver

    I'm pretty sure the leak is a result of porosity in the Al. If you look close at the pictures you can see a path from the sprue to the pin-hole. The copper tube had a patina, to say the least, so it might have been gassing right where the last of aluminum was filling the mold. Gating this part differently will likely solve this problem. I just threw the pattern in the sand and almost forgot to put a gate in. I was pretty excited to just be able to try the new sand.
     
  6. Al Puddle

    Al Puddle Silver

    It's been about four hours and the pressure has drop from 120 to 30 psi. This is tolerable for the short term but, unacceptable as a permanent solution.
     
  7. _Jason

    _Jason Silver

    What kind of pressure and volume are you looking for? Would something like this work for you?

    I use something like this for CO2 distribution with my kegerator system. You can find them on eBay relatively affordably.

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  8. Al Puddle

    Al Puddle Silver

    That looks pretty much like I was wanting. Seems simple enough to make my own, right?
     
  9. Al Puddle

    Al Puddle Silver

    Tried dipping the manifold into shellac. Still leaks. I'm gearing up to make some 5/8" core dowels. It's funny how all the information regarding making core dowels assumes you have a split core box. I want a dowel longer than a drill can make a hole, approx. 6 inches. I may need to make a plane that can cut desired half round grooves. Is that how the old tymers did it?
     
  10. Al2O3

    Al2O3 Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    I always just use a round nose or core box router bit set to a depth that is half the diameter and then dowel or core pin the two sides together.

    Best,
    K
     
  11. HT1

    HT1 Gold Banner Member


    search for "stanley core box plane"

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    Beautiful complete one here on Ebay... Beware of sticker shock
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-18...351902?hash=item48a2e1cb1e:g:L7oAAOSwRgJXjsW-


    V/r HT1
     
  12. Chancre

    Chancre Lead


    The ID of 1/2" pvc is 0.60 the difference of 0.025. If it doesn't have to be an exact 5/8 you could tamp a pipe full then use a Dremel to split it open.
     
  13. PatJ

    PatJ Silver

    And if you use a piece of PVC for a core box, you can slit it down one side only, ram the core, and then pry the slit open slightly at the center of the slit to release the core (saves having to use a 2-piece core box).
     
  14. Al Puddle

    Al Puddle Silver

    I see now how the old tymers made core boxes for core dowels. Sticker shock? Oh boy are they expensive.
     
  15. Melterskelter

    Melterskelter Gold Banner Member

    If you need to drill a long 5/8" hole, here are a few options I would consider:

    A bell hanger bit would cut a 10"+ hole
    https://www.amazon.com/MAGBIT-786-1...96&sr=8-4&keywords=bell+hanger+drill+bit+5/8"

    A reasonably competant machinist could braze a stem onto a 5/8" Silver and Deming bit. https://www.amazon.com/Quality-Spee...8&qid=1509027378&sr=1-5&keywords=5/8"+s+d+bit

    Hand-driven woodworking auger bits cut 8 to 10 inches. https://www.amazon.com/Steelex-Plus...1&sr=1-15&keywords=5/8"+auger+bit+woodworking

    Power auger bits would do the job: https://www.amazon.com/Shop-Tek-806...id=1509027440&sr=1-14&keywords=5/8"+auger+bit

     
  16. Al Puddle

    Al Puddle Silver

    Thanks, Melterskelter it helps to know the names of these tools such as the bell hanger bit. I've been passing on the idea of using a long bit because I don't feel confident drilling a long, straight hole.
     
  17. Melterskelter

    Melterskelter Gold Banner Member

    I think any of those bits would cut a "straight enough" hole. Use a drill press and the hanger bit. That would probably be the easiest. The resulting hole would be pretty straight even drilled into end grain of wood. I doubt you could see any curvature over its length. If you are real fussy, cut a 7 inch hole and lop of the first inch since it is in that first inch that most of the runout would occur.
     
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  18. Al Puddle

    Al Puddle Silver

    Maybe I'm missing something. My drill press has a 2-1/2in stroke. No matter how long the drill bit, I can drive it only 2.5 inches. I've tried flipping the work piece end for end, which should give me a 5" long hole but, there's always a misalignment and a step where the two holes meet. It's not the curvature over the length that worries me, it's the skew (though curvature will not be good either).
    This particular problem of drilling a hole in the end grain has been haunting me for several years. I'm planning to make something for the wood lathe to solve this problem but I'm a good ways off from completing that project. There will be pictures.

    I bit the bullet and purchased a set of core box router bits.
     
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  19. DavidF

    DavidF Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    raise the table so the drill bit is in the hole and continue drilling, or start it on the drill press and finish with a hand drill...
     
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  20. Al2O3

    Al2O3 Administrator Staff Member Banner Member

    You'll be glad you did. Use a piece of stock that is consistent in cross section and about twice a long as the core you want. Set the fence on your router table and cut the core groove the entire length at a depth half the diameter and then cut the stock in half and fold the pieces together as if they were hingeg where you cut. Align and clamp the pieces, match drill dowel holes through the two sides and trim the ends.......Easiest method in my opinion.

    If you need to make a core box larger in diameter than your largest core box bit, just draw the cove on each end of your stock and make successive cuts approximating the larger radius. Turn or find a piece of round stock near the diameter of the core, wrap it in sand paper, and then tune up the cuts. Then trim, dowel, and assemble it like above.

    I've also cast urethane around a round plug on a follower. Works well for larger diameter cores.

    Best,
    Kelly
     
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