Regarding political talk, I believe it has to be eliminated because, like race, everyone is different and have different views but can still enjoy melting metal. Some of those who don't agree with me in political areas may actually be able to do great castings. It slips in pretty easily, especially discussing things like "all products from China are junk (my computer excepted)" or "You can't do a good job if you don't use American made tools". Obviously the guys in other countries have their own opinions. I'm pretty sure we won't settle anything here other than alienate some great craftsmen who disagree.